What should I be trying to take away from the ERD’s you noted in the Data Model? Detailed knowledge of the setup or a general understanding of the entity relationships? Something else? Let me know. Thanks.
The most important thing is that you understand the fundamental object relationships (e.g. many to one, many to many) , how they are constructed, as well as the standard object relationships (e.g. an account can have many opportunities). This section is designed to help facilitate that understanding.
Hi john,
Curious about look up and Master – Detail relation ships .
I don’t see much info in here,
But i m ok with that,
Just have question that does the lookup also do cascade delete like Master Detail relation ships.?
as i saw this following note when i was confuse , so i really want to know if look up also behave same as Master Detail when it’s record Deletion time.?
Interesting – this article implies that you can enable cascade deletion in lookup relationships through a feature request (raise a case to salesforce). So it is possible, but definitely not the default behavior.
Hi john,
When it’s many to many relation ship between 2 objects using one junction object…
So to establish relation ship …should always created at parent to child?
or either way it’s possible..?
As obj_A and Obj_C have many to many
Obj_J is junction object…
Which is the correct one :
1) Obj_J to Obj _A and Obj_J to Obj_B ?
or
2) Obj_A to Obj_J and Obj_B to Obj_J ?
Hi john,
I want to know that if i have many to many relation ship created useing 3 custom objects and
Obj A ,ObjB , Objc
B is the junction object.
(off course its detail or child side object.)
So is there any rule or assumption that we do not have to show tab for junction object. i.e. obje B in my case?
Hi John,
Not sure how this will be reflected in the certification exam. Will it be like one of your quiz questions?
How will the exam questions be like related to the SF data model ?
Thanks,
Soraya.
This sections is more designed to give you a better understanding of how data models work – it will help you in understanding the relationship between multiple objects. The exam questions are more likely to be based around creating a many to many relationship or creating rollup summary fields.
The Salesforce Model Piece is not only looooooooooooooooong but it is difficult to fathom; I know it is an important concept. But, when you say it is a MUST read, I don’t know how that is possible. I checked out few of them and I could not understand a thing.
I would review the data model video again – it is important to understand how to read a data model first and then to spend a bit of time to understand the basics in Salesforce. You don’t need to be an expert here by any stretch though.
There seems to be two different ways in how many to many relationships are shown in this video. I’m trying to figure out if it is intentional, or an error. At 10:53 minutes, ith shows the “many” side of the relationship pointed toward the join objects from the two entities being joined. This makes sense to me because the join fields can show up on the join table multiple times. However, when they show this same situation again, at 11:33 minutes, they have a join object and the join connecting the assignment entity (join object) with the project entity seems backwards. In the quiz later, it shows the same thing.
I’m hoping it’s incorrect, and if not, then I’m not sure what the “many” is indicating “many” of… It seems to contradict the other ERDs I’ve been trying to understand. Thanks for any clarification!
I think you’re correct, that may very well be a mistake in the ERD @ 11:33. The way it is displayed reads to me as:
One employee can have many assignments. One assignment can have many projects.
I would think it would it would be: One employee can have many assignments. One project can have many assignments (reversing the notation between project and assignment).
I am not having any problems loading it on my browser – two things you can try:
1. another browser (e.g. Chrome)
2. right click on the image for the video and open in a new tab/window
Just watched the video successfully! Yesterday I tried to load it from the org I work for, I think firewall settings or something else could have caused the problem.
Hey John,
What should I be trying to take away from the ERD’s you noted in the Data Model? Detailed knowledge of the setup or a general understanding of the entity relationships? Something else? Let me know. Thanks.
Lynn
Hi Lynn,
The most important thing is that you understand the fundamental object relationships (e.g. many to one, many to many) , how they are constructed, as well as the standard object relationships (e.g. an account can have many opportunities). This section is designed to help facilitate that understanding.
Hope that helps!
John
Hi john,
Curious about look up and Master – Detail relation ships .
I don’t see much info in here,
But i m ok with that,
Just have question that does the lookup also do cascade delete like Master Detail relation ships.?
as i saw this following note when i was confuse , so i really want to know if look up also behave same as Master Detail when it’s record Deletion time.?
https://help.salesforce.com/HTViewSolution?id=000199350&language=en_US
Thank you.
Tejal.
Lookup relationships do not have cascade deletion
Interesting – this article implies that you can enable cascade deletion in lookup relationships through a feature request (raise a case to salesforce). So it is possible, but definitely not the default behavior.
Hi john,
When it’s many to many relation ship between 2 objects using one junction object…
So to establish relation ship …should always created at parent to child?
or either way it’s possible..?
As obj_A and Obj_C have many to many
Obj_J is junction object…
Which is the correct one :
1) Obj_J to Obj _A and Obj_J to Obj_B ?
or
2) Obj_A to Obj_J and Obj_B to Obj_J ?
Thank you .
Tejal.
If Object A and C are joined by object B, then typically object B would have two master-detail relationships (to A and C).
Hi john,
I want to know that if i have many to many relation ship created useing 3 custom objects and
Obj A ,ObjB , Objc
B is the junction object.
(off course its detail or child side object.)
So is there any rule or assumption that we do not have to show tab for junction object. i.e. obje B in my case?
Thak you
Tejal.
You can but do not have to have a tab for the junction object- choice is up to you!
Thank you john.
Hi John,
Not sure how this will be reflected in the certification exam. Will it be like one of your quiz questions?
How will the exam questions be like related to the SF data model ?
Thanks,
Soraya.
This sections is more designed to give you a better understanding of how data models work – it will help you in understanding the relationship between multiple objects. The exam questions are more likely to be based around creating a many to many relationship or creating rollup summary fields.
The Salesforce Model Piece is not only looooooooooooooooong but it is difficult to fathom; I know it is an important concept. But, when you say it is a MUST read, I don’t know how that is possible. I checked out few of them and I could not understand a thing.
I would review the data model video again – it is important to understand how to read a data model first and then to spend a bit of time to understand the basics in Salesforce. You don’t need to be an expert here by any stretch though.
Hi John,
The Salesforce link to the Salesforce Data Model is incorrect I believe. We are getting re-directed to Introduction of SOAP API when we click on it.
Thanks, updated
I am unable to access Quiz and Scenario in any of the section.please help
Not seeing any issues with the quizzes, still having problems?
I’m struggling to find the “User Interface” option under set up in SFDC?
There is a section in setup for the user interface: https://help.salesforce.com/htviewhelpdoc?err=1&id=customize_ui_settings.htm&siteLang=en_US
what is the relation ship between account and campaign objects?
There isn’t one directly – campaigns are linked to either contacts or leads through the campaign member object.
Hi The SOAP API Developer’s Guide just shows the title page but no other pages show up nor the content in the left window.
Just checked the link – seems to work. Can be a bit fickle to load though… if you are on a mobile, I would suggest trying from your desktop.
Great add Chris. That really helped me get started.
Hi John,
I found this primer on creating Entity Relationship Diagrams and felt others here might find it as useful as I did.
Entity Relationship Diagram (ERD) Training Video (Jan 2013 by Gina Baldazzi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fQ-bRllhXc
Awesome, I’ll add this in. Thanks Chris!
There seems to be two different ways in how many to many relationships are shown in this video. I’m trying to figure out if it is intentional, or an error. At 10:53 minutes, ith shows the “many” side of the relationship pointed toward the join objects from the two entities being joined. This makes sense to me because the join fields can show up on the join table multiple times. However, when they show this same situation again, at 11:33 minutes, they have a join object and the join connecting the assignment entity (join object) with the project entity seems backwards. In the quiz later, it shows the same thing.
I’m hoping it’s incorrect, and if not, then I’m not sure what the “many” is indicating “many” of… It seems to contradict the other ERDs I’ve been trying to understand. Thanks for any clarification!
Hi Sherry,
I think you’re correct, that may very well be a mistake in the ERD @ 11:33. The way it is displayed reads to me as:
One employee can have many assignments. One assignment can have many projects.
I would think it would it would be: One employee can have many assignments. One project can have many assignments (reversing the notation between project and assignment).
Cheers,
John
Hi John,
Object Relationships video isn’t loading, can you check this?
Hi Simeon,
I am not having any problems loading it on my browser – two things you can try:
1. another browser (e.g. Chrome)
2. right click on the image for the video and open in a new tab/window
Let me know if the issue still persists… thanks!
John
Hi John,
thanks for your response!
Just watched the video successfully! Yesterday I tried to load it from the org I work for, I think firewall settings or something else could have caused the problem.
Simeon